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TRANSCRIPTION
SYMBOLS
T:
Laing (therapist)
L: Leila
r ( ) inaudible reading
(word) tentative reading
[ ] nonverbal activity
(3) pause of approximately 3 seconds
(.) very brief pause
= no gap between utterances (latching)
italics marks stress, emphasis.
1
T: Can't hear you, uh
2
L: (They) can't hear me?
3
T: I can hear you now, yes.
4
L: Says, he says when you when you try to torture
him,
5
he's going to get, get a parachute and bailout.
6
T: Uh, huh. To the nether regions,
7
L: Huh?
8
T: To the upper regions.
9
L: To the what?
10 T: To the nether or upper regions. Anyway
Leila
11 L: Huh?
12 T: Ah, I don't know anything about (.) you at
all, ah, and I
13 don't know what (.) to ask you about
yourself.
14 L: [laughs]
15 T: [laughs] What do, what would you feel
that ah=
16 L: [laughs] I don't know...
[laughs]
17 T: =appropriate to say under the
circumstances=
18 L: [laughs] I don't know.
[laughs]
19 T: Is there anything that eh (.) ah do you feel
that your
20 situation is okay for you just now? Or er, you
say, you
21 tell me coming over that you are taking some
22 Nux Vomica to=
23 L: =Yeah.
24 T: =to calm your=
25 L: =Yeah.=
26 T: =system down eh=
27 L: and to sharpen my stupid wits.
28 T: Huh, what is it, what is it that's creating
the static in you
29 system, the disturbance in your system?
30 L: Oh, um, I think my brain don't work
right.
31 T: In what way?
32 L: [laughs] Well, let me see. Well, I
guess, I get the
33 Nux Vomic doesn't treat this per se, I'm getting
another
34 remedy for that. Well, I get things tumed
around, I get
35 opposites confused, I get (.) when I write, I
get my
36 letters confused, I get words confused. (.) And,
eh,
37 either I tend to be paranoid or errr, they
really are after
38 me I don't know which.
39 T: Hum, so you are not sure whether you are
confused
40 about that or not eh?
41 L: About what?
42 T: About whether they really are after you or
not, eh?
43 L: Well, he sounds like it.
44 T: What, him?
45 L: Oh, yeah. [laughs]
46 T: [laughs] You might be after
me, for all I know.
47 L: Oh, I'm just trying to help you guys um get
some sense
48 into your brains. I don't know if it's worth it
though,
49 you know. I I had a guru for a long time who
said da
50 there isn't any sense in it. What you gotta do
ta ta be
51 able to perceive reality is attain a level
of
52 consciousness which he offered which I never
attained
53 which is he said, beyond (.) the mind. It is
completely
54 above the mind.
55 T: What sort of guru is this character?
56 L: This is guru Mahandi.
57 T: Ah, well, what d'you take'm to mean by that,
beyond
58 the mind, or above the mind?
59 L: Well, whatever it is I couldn't imagine with
my mind
60 cause it's beyond the mind. Or I suppose, it's
some sort
61 of, I suppose, it involves a universal, being
conscious
62 of the universal consciousness. You know
everybody is
63 subconsciously aware of um everybody else's
mind.
64 Well, you know that. I've seen that. I've seen
you read
65 my mind.
66 T: I don't see how you can be conscious of the
universal
67 mind, the universal mind's conscious of you but
you're
68 not conscious of it.
69 L: How's that?
70 T: (Here we go!) [chuckles]
71 L: Well, maybe so maybe so, I mean yeah maybe
out of
72 my bitterness I just say, well, the universal
mind you
73 know don't know anything, heh (.) I maybe, I say
that
74 because because um I look around and I don't see
I
75 don't see any superior intelligence taking care
of
76 anything.
77
T: (5) How would ya er, expect to see a- you you
mean all
78 the pain and suffering and stupidity and
confusion in
79 the world how can there by a universal mind if
a
80 universal mind allows that sorta stuff to go
on?
81 L: Yeah, especially stupidity.
82 T: Uh. So either the the maybe the either the
universal
83 mind is eh stupid itself or it's mad itself or
it doesn't
84 exist.
85 L: Oh, it exists. It might be the sum total of
the human
86 minds; but it it exists.
87 T: Well are you trying to, well, I mean, I've
spent a lot of
88 time trying to work out eh, how that can, ah, be
the
89 case, if it is the case. But, I haven't found
any answer to
90 that (.) myself. But, eh I I still put a collar
and tie on
91 under the circumstances. (.) Why not? Heh,
heh.
92 L: Yeah. I asked him why he didn't kill himself
and he
93 says he not ready yet.
94 T: Uh huh.
95 L: Well, I guess if you're dead, you blow any
chance of
96 make, of doing anything good, huh
97 T: This time round.
98 L: Huh?
99 T: This time round anyway. (5) If we were just
sitting
100 here without these uh, uh cameras on us and
these
101 microphones, I wouldn't say anything just now.
But, eh
102 I feel impelled to eh eh make an effort to keep
talking
103 for the sake of eh people who are listening to
it. Maybe
104 shouldn't bother.
105 L: Are people listening to this?
106 T: Yeah! A whole lot of people are listening
that's part ah=
107 L: Huh?
108 T: eh
109 L: Wait, nobody told me tha tha tha the camers
uz on.
110 T: The cameras (.) er, that guy's got, er as
far as I know,
111 he's got the camera eh on just now and there
are a
112 whole lot of people listening too.
113 L: Geeze, I wouldn't have talked about that
stuff, if I had
114 known the camera's on.
115 T: It doesn't matter, it does ma um
[laughs] (2) How long
116 you been in Phoenix, then?
117 L: A year and a half.
118 T: And what brought you to Phoenix?
119 L: I was trying to escape the conspiracy and it
didn't work.
120 T: And what conspiracy?
121 L: Well, if there is one I suppose you're a
conspirator and
122 so you know already. If there isn't, I guess I
just
123 imagined it.
124 T: Well, ah whether or not I'm a conspirator
and whether
125 or not you are imagining it, are you prepared
to er eh
126 ah ah give me your account of what that conspiracy is?
127 L: As much as I can figure out, yeah.
128 T: Well, go ahead.
129 L: Ea, well, I think a conspiracy (.) doesn't
exist so I just
130 don't think about it. If I don't think about
it, it is not
131 there too much. But, then, people like Peter,
people like
132 Dr. Stumpf, ea you know, they tend ta make me
believe
133 in it again, so [sigh] so I try to
avoid those people. I'm
134 not going to talk to you any more. [to
person off
135 screen] No he's alright=
136 T: [laughs]
137 L: =(When he talks about) his job.
138 T: Is it a benign conspiracy or a malign
conspiracy is it?
139 L: Huh, wha, well
140 T: Is it a conspiracy for good or for evil?
141 L: How the heck if I know but if anybody messes
with me
142 like that I don't care. But you what I figure,
is , you
143 see the mind creates a whole lot of
things. You know, I
144 mean, I see mind as really powerful, and and
people
145 subconsciously their minds always interact.
They do.
146 I've seen that=
147 T: Yeah
148 L: =You know (3) and um, people see what they expect to
149 see.
150 T: wa
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