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151
L: So it it stands to reason if I believe in a
conspiracy,
152 people are going to act like conspirators.
153 T: Yeoh. So far, okay.
154 L: Yeah.
155 T: [laughs]
156
L: Yeah, but I told Dr. Stumpf, he walked in to
[clears
157 throat] the room just as I was saying
something
158 negative about doctors. [laughs]
159 T: [laughs]
160 L: But he denied that he heard it.
161 T: What? Who walked in the room, Peter?
162 L: Huh?
163 T: Just as (.) Who walked in the room just as
when you
164 were saying something?
165 L: Dr. Stumpf.
166 T: Ahuh ah.
167 L: (3) But I don't know, maybe I expected him
to walk in
168 when I said something negative about doctors. I
mean,
169 they try. [laughs]
170 T: Well, that sorta thing happens, is happening
all the
171 time, I mean, I don't I I I eh I don't see wha
y' making a
172 special point of that about?
173 L: Whata ya mean?
174 T: I don't see why (.) you are making a special
point of
175 telling me that eh eh just now since
that sorta thing as
176 you know I know and um I know you know happens all
177 the time anyway.
178 L: Yeah. Well, cause cause they are watching
us.
179 T: [chuckles] Yeah, huh, alright (gotta
stop) [laughs] (8)
180 Well, I mean, this whole sit up set up is an
enormous
181 conspiracy and you're right in eh, right in the
heart of
182 the conspiracy just now.
183 L: Ump.
184 T: So eh if you haven't [laughs,
coughs] if you, if you if
185 you came to Phoenix to get away from the
conspiracy,
186 you haven't done very well.
[laughs]
187 L: What do you mean?
188 T: Well, you're sitting here in this
situation.
189 L: You mean the conference is a conspiracy?
190 T: Yah. Course.
191 L: What kind of a conspiracy?
192 T: [clears throat] Eh, well, I've got a
I've got a plane
193 booked eh, to get to Boston Sunday, so I'm not
going
194 to say what sorta conspiracy is because I want
to go on
195 that plane in a, in good order as far as I'm
concerned.
196 No, I think it is quite a benign conspiracy. It
certainly a
197 very concerted deep plan and it involves eh it's much
198 wider than the people who are actually here.
Seven
199 thousand people=
200 L: Huh?
201 T: =have flown in and and that's a minor
conspiracy eh in
202 terms of the galaxy but it's quite a big
conspiracy.
203 L: Oh, well, what do you know about it.
204 T: Huh?
205 L: What do you know about it?
206 T: Well, I think it's eh, ah (2) I think the
universal mind is
207 eh has been asleep abit eh as far as this
planet goes, I
208 mean in this galaxy eh eh that eh and this uh
planet it's
209 it's it's a it's sorta itching abit. And it's
sorta waking up
210 abit and sorta doin' something about it now (.)
through
211 us=
212 L: If it's capable of doing anything.
213 T: Auh auh Well, Jesus Christ has got no other
hands but
214 ours.
215 L: Oh.
216 T: It's only capable of doing what we do. I
mean, as far as
217 (.)we'reconcerned.
218 L: Are you a Christian?
219 T: Well, that depends who I'm talking to
[laughs]=
220 L: Well, just tell me that=
221 T: If I'm talking to you? Well,ah I'm not sure
what l
222 should say about that eh, itja ah ah I'm a
Christian in
223 the sense that Jesus Christ wasn't eh crucified
isn't
224 wasn't crucified between two candlesticks in
a
225 cathedral, he was crucified in the town garbage
heap
226 between two thieves, in that sense I'm a
Christian.
227 L: You're a what?
228 T: Heh?
229 L: I didn't hear your last word.
230 T: In that sense, I'm a Christian. But, I mean in another in
231 another sense I mean I I wouldn't admit to being eh a
232 Christian in most Christian company. Why are you a
233 Christian?
234 L: Hell no!
235 T: Eah eah?
236 L: I don't think so ah I think, I think God doesn't know
237 what he's doing, so um, [sighs] who knows maybe
238 Jesus maybe Jesus had a mental problem. You know.
239 T: Well, I I I maybe maybe he didn't have time to mature.
240 They got him too young.
241 L: Eah?
242 T: [laughs]
243 L: (5) Or maybe, I was talking to my friend about this the
244 other day. I told him I don't believe in God, and he
245 says, he believes in many gods and and they eat their
246 disciples after they die.
247 T: Um hum?
248 L: So maybe maybe that's what Jesus does.
249 T: Well, I I I worse things could happen and eh if, when I
250 die, I was, I was eaten up by Jesus [laughs] sou sounds
251 quite a good gospel hymn.
252 L: Are you saying it would be ok?
253 T: [laughs]
254 L: Well, I thought it might be better than gettin eaten by
255 the devil.
256 T: (2) It might be indeed.
257 L: (.) But, then it might be better not to get eaten at all.
258 T: I don't think you can help it.
259 L: Excuse me?
260 T: I don't think you can help it. eh eh I mean, we're either
261 we're either in the bowels of hell or in eh bowels of
262 heaven eh or both, at one time.
263 L: The what?
264 T: The bowels.
265 L: Bowels?
266 T: Bow- [laughs]
267 L: Oh!
268 T: Humpf[coughs]
269 L: Yeah. (5) (But) I think that's awfully mean. But, then,
270 that's just what my friend said. It doesn't mean it's true.
271 [laughs]
272 T: [laughs] Do you think it's not fair? You say, it's awfully
273 mean.
274 L: I think it's awfully mean that humans (.) are at the
275 consciousness we're at. We're just, we're just half just
276 just half way some place. We're we're intelligent, but
277 we're not intelligent enough. (1) At least I haven't
278 figured anything out. Have you? You're older.
279 T: What diffence does that make?
280 L: Well, you've had more time. Have you figured anything
281 out?
282 T: You don't get any wiser when you get older.
283 L: See.
284 T: [Laughter in background] They are laughing. That got
285 a laugh [laughing and coughing] (5) What 'bout your
286 em mom and dad an that sort of thing, what sort of (.)
287 are they alive, eh?
288 L: Who my parents?
289 T: Yeah.
290 L: Yeah.
291 T: What sort of chap was your father, is your father?
292 L: Oh, well ah eh he's a Christian preacher. Yes.
293 T: Oh, I ought to have known. [laughs]
294 L: Yeah, my parents are very religious. At least, they say
295 they are.
296 T: Well, you're very religious.
297 L: You know my, yeah, I guess I am.
298 T: No it's not meant as an insult, na.
299 L: And my parents run, are currently running a shelter up
300 in Michigan.
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