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301
T: What?
302 L: They are running a shelter,
303 T. Oh, yes uhuh.
304 L: Yes.
305 T: (2) Where (exactly)?
306 L: Saginaw?
307 T: How do they feel about you?
308 L: [laughs] [T: heh] I don't
know. [laughs] I don't know
309 um, I wrote them, I don't know, I wrote'm a letter and
310 asked 'em. And, I haven't picked it up in the
mail yet. I
311 asked 'em ah if if it was okay for me to send
a
312 Christmas present. [laughs] That's, I
don't know.
313 T: No reply?
314 L: I haven't been to the Post Office yet to
pick, it up. To, if
315 they did reply, I mean I ah, they probably
did.
316 T: Do you expect them to send you a Christmas
present?
317 L: Oh, God [whispered] I don't know.
But, see I was juz,
318 [clears throat] I had some Christmas
gifts so I'd had a
319 send them some 'cause I was making crafts
for
320 Christmas.
321 T: Because you were making?
322 L: Crafts?
323 T: Crafts?
324 L: Yeah.
325 T: Uh huh. (4) I would never have though of, uh
sending,
326 writing my parents and asking them if it was
okay for
327 me to send them a present for Christmas. Eh ah
and
328 why wouldn't it be ok?
329 L: Well, 'cause maybe they hate me after all I,
after being,
330 an unfaithful daughter.
331 T: Unfaithful to?
332 L: Yes.
333 T: Eh..
334 L: I haven't visited in, in years
[laughs]=
335 T: Ump
336 L: And, in fact, and I don't communicate well
well with
337 them either. But, you see, I have my own life
to live.
338 Ea, you know, I hope they understand that, but
maybe
339 they don't.
340 T: Uhuh. Well, if you're faithful to the Lord
Jesus Christ
341 how can you be unfaithful to your father?
342 L: Yeah. [smiling]
343 T: But, eh, I mean he said that didn't he eh eh
unless you
344 hate your father and mother and follow me, you
can't be
345 eh my disciple.
346 L: Yeahah.
347 T: What does your father make of that?
348 L: Well, probably that um all this Ch,
Christian emphasis
349 on family is a is a is against the teachings of
Jesus. You
350 know, the modern the modern Christian emphasis
on
351 families.
352 T: Yeah, I think it is, um. I mean I don't ea
ea I d'you
353 know that passage ea ea where where Je Jesus I
I
354 always said thought there was something wrong
with
355 that translation that said eh eh said unless
you eh the the
356 ah unless you hate your father and mother,
brother and
357 sisters also it said said you cannot be my
disciple. In
358 the English version though, I think it means
unless you
359 prefer me to your father and mother.
360 L: I don't recall that it said hate.
361 T: Hurh.
362 L: It's eh (3) something like deny.
363 T: Yeah, ah, I asked a guy eh a Aramaic scholar
about that
364 he said he thought it meant unless you are
happily
365 indifferent to them.
366 L: Um. That makes a lot of sense.
367 T: Yeah. [P laughs] (call his
bluff)
368 L: Because if you are not happily indifferent
to your
369 parents, they're going eh be on your case all
your life.
370 [laughs]
371 T: That's right. [laughs] Um. (3) I
have to go back, now.
372 I'm going to get up on stage and talk
about.
373 L: Kay.
374 T: Is that right?
375 L: Okay.
376 T: I'll see you later.
377 L: Okay.
378 T: Huh.
379 L: Hey, can I come out?
380 T: Do you want to come?
381 L: See what you say, yeah.
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